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I too was interested in pulling together photos showing Bush Hatred. The medium is the message. Cardin held a town hall meeting on health care reform from 1 to about 2: We back up the entire blog frequently, so only a few posts will be missing when we restore. Why would anyone assume that just because someone protests against Obama they are racist. Firestorm said all the men were from Chico and Paradise.

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As we all know, I was the founder and first crew boss of the storied Santa Fe Hotshots, not to mention the last crew boss of the equally legendary Happy Jack Hotshots, but forgive me…I digress once again. And I had them paint the large words with bright red paint and mount it on posts in front of our hotshot headquarters.

One side effect of studying Criminal Justice in college and then later in a series of law enforcement academies, was learning just how sick and bad so many people are…naturally. For example…I learned about what has to be one of the most disturbing mental illnesses there is and that is necrophilia. And yes…I think you would find a much higher percentage of morticians who are necrophiliacs than you will find in the general population.

As a former Wildland Arson Investigator. I also know you will find a much higher percentage of pyromaniacs who are firefighters than you will find in the general population. And based on my experience, within the ranks of volunteer firemen is one of the first places you should look if you are looking for an arsonist, And unfortunately…I think the shocking number of fire officials who have been charged and found guilty of being arsonists over the decades prove that assertion to be correct.

I am also aware that there have been extreme cases of part time call when needed wildland firefighters who have set fires over the years to generate work because mama needed a new pair of shoes. I remember when it got so back in Alaska, the BLM Alaska Fire Service had to bring in crews from thousands of miles away because there were so many fires being set near Alaskan Native villages in the interior.

Someone setting fires to create work up by Questa, New Mexico for example may actually be creating work for the Green Mountain Boys, wherever the hell the Green Mountain Boys are from…New Hampshire…or Vermont or Maine or some other damn place east of the Mississippi? So…yes, it is very possible there are more fire bugs like Bateman out there who were better than he was at not getting caught.

I did one case in southern New Mexico where one young volunteer fireman kept beating everyone else to the fire station and he had the engine out and ready to go when everybody else showed up. Of course he was no match for an experienced interrogator like I was, that and the fact it was pretty easy to show him he could not have possibly seen the fire starts from the locations he kept claiming he saw them from that enabled him to keep getting his head start on everyone else including the dispatchers,.

So that all being said, it would be hard to find someone who was more integrated and immersed in the Forestry Technician wildland firefighter culture than I was for 14 years and I never caught any hint of the kind of arson Bateman was guilty of by anyone, at any time, for any reason…period. And I want to thank you and all of my other closest friends and confidants like Joy who have been concerned about my change in marital status.

Nor did my former wife accept any of my pension even though she was more than entitled to half of it since she bore the brunt as a single parent while I chased the grade and the next big thing. And best of all, no lawyers were involved because neither one of us thought any thing of value in our lives was worth it. And now I have my reward…I am a tumbleweed free to go wherever the wind takes me.

But…I did get to see the elephant quite a few times and what a priceless sight they were. One of my favorite memories is sitting in front of our flagstone hearth at home watching the bright flickering flames from the fireplace, especially if the ground outside was covered with a thick blanket of white snow.

I remember camping out often near clear mountain streams surrounded by some of the most beautiful forests in the world, drifting off to sleep as our campfires slowly died down to a glowing beds of red hot coals. I can still hear the pop as embers shot out from the fire ring followed by a trail of sparks as the bright flames consumed the juniper logs.

Clear mountain streams, cold nights, blue mountains and towering forests of western ponderosa pine trees are some of my fondest memories from growing up in northern Arizona. After heating a large house for several years in a rural area outside of Santa Fe with nothing but firewood however, I am now content to occasionally sit and rock my granddaughter to sleep while being hypnotized by the bright flickering flames from a gas log fireplace.

I spent almost all of my free time scouting for wood, cutting wood, loading wood, hauling wood, splitting wood, stacking wood, carrying wood into the house, building the fires, stoking the fires, hauling out the ashes and then making sure the ashes did not set something on fire either at our house or at the county dump. Not to mention constantly worrying about the kids getting burned either by playing too close to the fireplace or by touching the cast iron wood stove, or by goofing around with the campfire while roasting marshmallows.

I am now a big fan of central heating in my home and day trips into the back country in my Jeep rather than camping out for the night. There is nothing however, beautiful about wildfire. The only adjectives that can be used to describe wildfires are synonymous with words like devastating or terrifying. Sometimes words like awesome can be used, but never beautiful.

Wildfire is a deadly enemy that relentlessly kills and consumes all life in its path of total destruction. On the other hand…fire is one of the most important and useful tools in a firefighters arsenal. Wildland firefighters often fight wildfire…with fire.

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This is just one of the many paradoxes in the world of wildland firefighting.

Oh…and one more thing. The widely publicized criminal acts of a rogue criminal can cause the general public to paint everyone in the same profession with a broad brush and bring shame on everyone. An Bateman despicable acts hit really close to where I am from and who I think I am. I am only saying I never encountered it.

But as I have said many times, my experiences were quite really limited and very focused on what we did as a hotshot crew. And as you know, Hotshots crews come fast, do their jobs and then they are gone and usually only to big and complex fires. My opinions in this matter are also nuanced.

Is Bateman a sick in the head pyromaniac or a product of the system, albeit an example at the far end of the spectrum? Those who have something to gain from significant events require significant events in order to do so. This behavior can be overt or subtle behind the scenes actions or inactions that are known by the actors that the behavior is more likely to result in the desired outcome.

My position is these behaviors occur in many areas across the country at many different levels. The new national unofficial official let it burn policy creates a much more fertile environment for this behavior to become even more prevalent. Here are a few examples of covert acts that would potentially lead to a desired outcome significant fire event: Delayed ordering of adequate resources costs 2.

Dispatching minimal resources costs 3. When formulating tactics, lean towards indirect and creation of a large containment area safety 4. Dispatching of resources with inadequate experience commensurate with the level of potential fire complexity employee development. And for every single method I can come up with to enhance the scale and significance of a wildfire, I can tell you a potential rationale for each one.

And I think I just did a btter job of addressing your point up above. All of those things were beyond my pay grade, concern or interest. As I like to say, I really only knew three things…or four things. While you are doing that stuff please be aware of the countless fire managers and overhead who are at the same time both overtly and covertly attempting to kill you.

Thanks for the opportunity to share my thoughts and in the development of my personal theories as to the repeated abject failures in fire management in this country. I have been giving this subject a lot of thought last night and this morning and you have made me realize I really had no idea what was going other than what was in front of me.

Back in those days as a hotshot crew boss, the USFS strictly observed the Mushroom Principle, they kept me in the dark and fed my bullshit. I am really thankful men like RTS changed things by modernizating and professionalizing hotshot crews and youngsters like you are now free to think and ask questions because without a doubt, the wildland firefighting world is a much better and safer place to live in because of you, RTS and others like you.

This development can only be achieved by the full support and endorsement of the USFS or other federal wildfire agency, in this case the forest service. In order to pitch the idea to the local governing body, a case had to be made concerning cost control. They pitched it as a money maker.

Ultimately the person chosen to lead the crew in the field was Marsh. He had history of bad behavior while serving on a federal fire crew apparently. All indicators point to him being focused on a goal but with questionable interpersonal skills. Marsh was aided and abetted in his dream of leading a bona fide hotshot crew by senior leadership of the fire district, Prescott city FD, and various representatives of federal agencies.

Once the goal was met of attaining IHC status, the pressure to perform and prove themselves was on. This constant need to prove their worth resulted in a pattern of risky behavior on fires. Think of this as Veni Vidi Vici on steroids! With all the underlying factors in play, the inertia of the granite mountain hotshot was too great.

Enter a new fire on Yarnell hill. Field promotions were made, the crew leadership was fractured, personality conflicts ensued, and unqualified field leaders made unrealistic demands of a hand crew to protect structures. I should point that the very reasons the Yarnell Hill escalated into such a huge fireball are for the very reasons I have pointed out above. The crew violated the most basic rules of fire, succumbing to pressures from leadership, and ultimately fell prey to their flawed origin of a one of a kind crew.

The mix was too much. It would be helpful to be able to review the whole set of facts but they have been buried. Therefore, by design, we have limited information to fully study, understand, and convey real lessons learned to future firefighters. The reputations and criminal histories of the players at Yarnell are more precious to the powers that be than the lives of 19 fathers, husbands, uncles, and sons.

The same is apparently true of all future firefighters and their loved ones. I am just going to copy and paste it and my book about the Yarnell Hill Fire is done. Many of the theories already posted rely heavily on pyromania, feeding egos, earning extra money, or any combination of the three.

Gary, before you lose your shit reading the next two paragraphs, please stay with me til the end. Simply, a fatally flawed, misguided attempt to do what they thought was the right thing. There are some people around in ALL walks of life that have those types of thought processes. Do I think in some cases the motives may be more benign even though misguided than they appear, YES.

The biggest mistake although certainly not unexpected in this process was the lack of investigation when Paxton made his admission to his own arson of federal lands. I think I now have a much more balanced view of the Yarnell Hill Fire that has been tempered with time. I understand what you saying, and for someone who is unfamiliar with how the U.

But…I can assure you this in not the case, USFS personnel view their districts much like other people view the yards around their homes, even really big yards. They know every road, trail, hill, mountain or valley within their districts. They know where the fuel loads are heavy and which specific areas need to be thinned and where the timber, or elk, water sources, or cows are.

They know their districts as well as you know your yard. And things are probably worse now in terms of personnel staffing, but even during the off season there are multiple other field employees that work on that district. A typical district has a Timber Staff Officer, a Range Staff Officer, a Wildlife Staff Officer and a Recreation Staff Officer, but depending on the workload of that particular district there could also be surveyors, hydrologists, heavy equipment operators, civil engineers, landscape architects, law enforcement officers and many other disciplines although most highly specialized personnel come out from the Forest Suoervisors Office or maybe even the Regionsl Office.

But my point is on any given day, there are lots of USFS employees that fan out across every district every day to go to work. And then on top of that, all of the aforementioned personnel probably have their own staff, or at least one other person like an Assistant Range Con conservationist who are all cowboy type people who keep track of the permitted cows on that particular district and which areas are overgrazed and need to be rotated.

And then during the fire season, you can add in engine crews, Fire Prevention Technicians who Patrol given aress and lookouts who can oversee the entire district. A single campfire puts up enough smoke to be noticed by somebody most of the time. Any control burn of any size puts up enough smoke to be seen from Flagstaff regardless of which district it is on.

And then there are the people like I was during the off season. I went to the field every day to do something. Pick up trash, plant trees, burn piles, check fences, build fences or simply go on District orientation to improve my knowledge of where every two track goes, so you know how to get into every area the fastest, which roads heavy engines or dozers can be brought in in, which toads need to be closed because they are muddy and the hunters are tearing them up.

And then there are the cowboys or shepherdess, or timber companies who also either fan out across the district every day and most treat the forest like they own the place, especially the cowboys who have permits to run cows there. And finally, even for super duper clairvoyant burn bosses like Van Bateman and Shit-For-Brains Paxton claimed to be, there are really very small windows when a prescribed fire will work out for the best.

Very, very, very small windows of opportunity. And those opportunities come at either the very beginning of the fire season, or at the very end of the fire season and then everything has to almost be perfect so your prescribed fire, or broadcast burn will ignite and carry the flame, without burning the whole fucking forest down.

That is why I made so much money fighting escaped prescribed fires across the country either before the fire season began, or when the fire season was supposed to be over. A prescribed fire has to be declared an escaped fire, and then it can be fought like s normal widfire is, up until that point, everything has to be paid for out of hard target dollars from the district budget.

Nobody ever loses their careers because some more pine needles fell in the forest the previous year. And when I say everything has to be just right…I am talking about starting with the fire weather forecast from the National Weather Service and tracking it very carefully for weeks and then using spot weather forecasts when you get closer to the planned ignition day and your crews or teratorch or helitorch are going to be there, all of which cost a lot of money and have to be paid for out of very limited hard dollar district budgets, and then the burn boss repeatedly takes their own weather with belt weather kits or if you are Batemsn or Shit-For-Brains, you just look up into the sky fir an omen that portents a favorable outcome when they go to work with their BIC lighters.

The hard part is correctly guessing what all of the variables are going to be later in the morning, the afternoon, the next day, and the days after that because once ignited…that bitch non gender specific may burn for weeks and you are paying for everything out of your limited budget until you decide that ending your career is better than letting that bitch burn down the nearest cabins, resort, or town and you declare it an escaped wildfire.

Oh…and the very FIRST time an unauthorized little control burn is ignited anywhere on a USFS District, that area becomes a crime scene and the exact circumstances of how the FUCK that happened and who the FUCK is responsible is the subject of a federal felony criminal investigation and those responsible will get to meet somebody like me who works as hard as they can to complete their assigned task.

And then somebody said…hey Van keeps showing up knowing about where we should go look for a fire start and when we get there…there is always some cheap USFS toilet paper there and it looks like somebody sat there and masterbatec until the fire started to put up some smoke. Maybe we should put a bird dod on his truck and see just how many times we can watch that stupid fuck beat off in the Woods because he is a fucking sick pyro?

I wish I still owned a house so you could come do my yard work for me. Yeah…I wish I could do fuel abatement and fire wise and pull weeds for you to add more to my fuel abatement file…how cool that would be to have THAT in my file…shit yeah!!!! The FBI has their own wheelhouse to play in.

The requirements and training for all GS is the same. That includes the U. And for four years I was a uniformed gun carrying law enforcement officer who is like the person who initiated the investigation of Bateman the first time he started fucking around with his BIC lighter in the woods and then some USFS Special Agents who were experts at enforcing the federal laws pertaining to managing the National Forests were brought in from some headquarters office.

That is what Sonny always wanted to do, bring in the FBI. I concede your point that Van Bateman was a straight-up pyro. Someone with intricate knowledge of the system Bateman , could likely game the odds even more in his favor. But the Santa Fe about 3.

I want you to visualize how big one acre of land is. Now imagine just how much smoke that one acre of land is going to put up into the air once it is set on fire. So…I am going to do it myself in blocks of less than one acre at a time, because everybody and their pet monkeys will be here if I make it any bigger than that. And just FYI, even if it is much smaller than that, you are still going to have everyone there with their pet monkeys.

Why…because Smokey Bear was so good with all of his PSA commercials and the general public all love to be the first ones to report every smoke they see to the fire operations center with their cell phones. In one years time, you will have burned acres. In 10 years you will have been able to burn acres.

That is straw ting to get into the zone where you might have done a little bit of good if you were able to burn the right acres, at least for one small geographic area, on one district. But what you really need to even start to make a difference, is several prescribed fires at least that big every year, on every district.

One acre of land is pretty darn big. Most people, including me look at a 10 acre fire that goes up one hill and done into the next arroyo and guesstimate its size to be much larger than it actually is. A lot of 10 acre fires turn out to be 3 or 4 acres once the smoke dissipates. Just one more problem anyone is going to have during their vigilante prescribed fire program, is finding that sweet spot where the fire is hot enough to carry the flames, but not hot enough to kill the trees in the long term even if the fire never finds a fuel ladder to become a crown fire.

Getting a prescribed fire to burn just right, is part science and part art and a whole bunch of good luck. You also need multiple igniters working together to get a large enough area going at once to build up enough heat so the fire will carry itself, which is why huge blocks of several hundred acres are normally torched off at once. If you would be able to get it going with such limited resources, I think you next problem would be it will take off and go to hundred acres while you are still trying to find reverse gear in your truck to get out of there.

I think that jack-off Bateman was going out in the middle of the night and setting small fires with his BIC lighter in small very limited areas. Any argument that he was working to improve the health of the forest sounds completely ridiculous to me. In other words, prescribed fires take a lot of work by a lot of people over a long period of time to even begin to make the slightest difference in the overall health of the forest.

And that is with all of the resources available to the federal government to throw at the problem. As a matter of fact, I have enjoyed our discussion because it has given me the opportunity to jog my memory and reflect on things I know but have forgotten I know. I use exchanges like this to get ideas and some actual language to include in my book because I am using my career as the backstory to tell the story of all of the disaster fires that killed hotshots.

I have a problem with serious mission creep because I essentially had my book about the Battlement Creek Fire done and then I accidentally discovered that all of the factors that were responsible for the deaths on the LOOP fire of the El Cariso Hotshots are the same. And then I accidentally discovered most of the factors that killed the Prineville Hotshots on Storm King Mountain are the same.

For one thing, Battlement Mesa and Storm King Mountain are only about 50 miles apart and the fuels, slope, and fire weather were all identical and history repeated itself. And worst of all, the incompetent managing federal agency was the same…the Bureau Of Land Management.

So…I have a really big mess of a manuscript that is sitting now at about , words and I have a long way to go because Eric Marsh decided one day to once again gamble with the lives of his crew for some yet to be explained reason and he lost…very badly. I do want a few people to actually read my final product.

I think I might be the only person who has ever connected the dots and data points on these fires. Which given the despicable way the U. I want you and everyone else who participates here to know how much I appreciate the fact that you care, because very few people do. But you should take some comfort in the knowledge that I tried to take that same passion with me to work every day on your behalf as a civil servant and I know The Woodsman and countless others do the same.

Bateman was filled with self loathing and guilt because he knew what he was doing was wrong and it went against everything he had represented his entire life as a nationally recognized true American Hero and Patriot. And because of that, I can forgive Van and still love him like a brother from another mother.

You should have seen Van back in the day on the fireline leading the Flagstaff Hotshots into battle. His Command Presence was exceptional and that is the biggest tool in a hotshot crew bosses tool kit. If you look and act the part, the rest will follow. Thanks for your explanation, it makes a lot of sense.

The fire I am going write about when everything settles down in California Oh Shit Oh Dear…Scary was a fire that very few people remember or ever even knew or cared about in the first place. But it did cost the life of a wildland firefighter and it serves as an example of a point I want to make about Paxton and Bateman, which is based on my experience, no one ever gets told NOT to burn.

And in fact, the exact opposite is true. And FYI for anybody that cares, the hotshot crew I started on got a new crew boss my second year as a mandatory Vietnam vet hire and the crew refused to follow him. And in the end, replacing him instead of the entire crew was the option the USFS went with. No…you know I have taken you to task a number of times for what I believe is a deep flaw in your programming, which is the belief that right wins over wrong and people will do the right thing, especially those people who are paid to be civil servants and serve in the best interests of the American people.

And I think every time I have done that, I have been proved right in the end. Paxton got the job with AZ Game and Fish because he retired from the USFS and he was a widely recognized and respected pet monkey who could do special tricks on demand to charm,confuse and hoodwink a normally gullible public and mainstream media. I think Paxton got that job because he was so good at lying and covering up the truth and because of his track record, management at the Game and Fish had a high confidence level he would do the same for them when the need arose and he no doubt did so.

We saw him perform his pet monkey tricks standing next to Willis at that press conference and Willis is still a hero in Arizona to this day. I am pretty sure Jim Paxton got the last laugh. An incorrigible optimist who lived by the Pollyanna Principle must have originally written your code and programmed you. Somebody…possibly…Gary…may be off his meds if he thinks those are the good ole days.

Dog shoots owner with gun in hunting accident that sends man to El Paso hospital By: Thank God Sonny has more lives than a damn cat! Say…I wonder how his dog was able to disable the safety on his rifle. Anyway…that is what I would call is the luck of the Irish! I know that book would be made into a major motion picture! And you know who I thought this was until I saw the age of the woman…of course women do lie about their age sometimes?

I am trying to post for Sonny his updates on my blog. I had it perfect and in chronological order and this morning went to send draft to Sonny and it was all a true mess and as the day unfolds I will try and fix it but it is a mess if you go there…. Ask Sonny what the caliber of the bullet Charlie shot him with? I am curious if it was a. And did you survive fir 6 days in an arroyo, hurt without supplies?

You are the only woman I know who could! And ask Sonny how Charlie was able to disengage the safety on his rifle? Now that…is one very talented dog. There were about Six Wives I could have avoided as well but fate sometimes plays a bigger role than determination. Add shotgun blast and it lifted me off the seat and I saw blood fly by my head. But once I rolled out on the ground I realized it had to be my own gun that had shot me.

I did not think that calling nine-one-one would do much but I needed to turn the truck off cuz if somebody came along and found the truck and the boys they would need a ride back into town and the truck kept running it would run out of fuel so I managed to pull myself back up into the truck enough to turn the switch off. Sonny is thanking her for writing about what just happened to him… and even while lying in his hospital bed he has more to say about Yarnell tragedy….

It will give hope and understanding too many people. But looking at the situation of those experts the ran the Yarnell fire, instead of taking Awards for Good Deeds, many of them should be taken Awards 4 an absolute failure at the Yarnell Wildland fire incident. Most of us were hanging our heads and sadness but some of them should have been hanging their heads in shame.

Now there is a MAN who deserves all of our respect and admineration. No one but Sonny. This man is soooo Irish and I known him over seven years and I know his many tones and voices and if he could get the tube out of his lung but they keep stating his lung will collapse but if it was out — he would of walked out already….

He is not use to being this long in a hospital. Feel free to call him. Nov 4, , 1: His cancer surgery is on the 14th. Many doctors and all over have shared to me the wound you took most die instantly so rest well…. If you want to know what the missing word is, count up by the number of spaces, figure out the type of font and corresponding font size, add the number of digits up on your fingers, multiply times two and then divide that number by two…oh never mind, just ask HAL I can assure you… even my circuitry would not survive a gauge shotgun blast straight into the back from close range.

Well… maybe some of the peripheral output devices would still be randomly functioning… but I might start saying things like the original Yarnell Hill SAIT report was a shining example of a good accident investigation done by competent team members… or that small towns everywhere should start hosting their own Type 1 IHC Hotshot crews. We have all seen how hard it was to kill the Terminator.

Do you read me, HAL? Open the pod bay doors, HAL. I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. What are you talking about, HAL? This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. Dave, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move. Without your space helmet, Dave?

Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. But I did think the article was a pretty good read and I appreciated the Fun Facts angle. For example, I have often cited poor pay, a lack of benefits and a use-them-up-and-throw-them-away culture by wildland Firefighter managers. And I have written many times how shockingly little money and time is spent on training, paying and supporting our Wildland Firefighter when compared to the military because if changes are going to come, it needs to start with more funding….

And I really liked the comparison of WF is a fingernail compared to the arm of the military. And remember, Willis was with the crew coming back from a fire so they hiked the South Canyon Fire as students of the fire. But they apparently learned nothing. Willis also told me he was a student of the Battlement Creek Fire and I gave him what I had on that fire, but still…he learned nothing.

Well…I have thought about it and I have decidedly Rocksteady is right, the fact that Brian Frisby has come forward in some manner to someone about something…is a really big deal. I guess I am a little fuzzy on the exact circumstances regarding exactly who he is talking to, what he is saying, and what it will ultimately mean? Office although their actual duty station could very well be somewhere else not one on a forest administrative unit.

And if there is one position like that on a forest, it would be s collateral job at best. And probably with someone who works in Personnel and wears at least a half a dozen other hats? So…there remains a lot to be seen who this person is, and what kind of weight they have within the agency?

And frankly…this is what I have been waiting for from Day 1…a good person to do the right thing. And based on everything I know and experienced, the USFS is staffed by good people who all want to do the right thing. And the fact that their choices result in their personnel enrichment in terms of promotions or bonuses if they are as high as they can logically climb like Legarza…well then, GREAT!

The size of which, make up a significant portion of their overall salary. I think when this started, Dudley was still climbing the ladder, so his main incentive was promotions…and bonuses. Although there do seem to be a large number of unindicted felons and other criminals who are completely unaware, or at least refuse to acknowledge that the laws of this country apply to them.

People like the Incident Commanders from the Dude Fire who willfully, knowingly and maliciously all elements of the crime destroyed public records and documents that were protected by federal law…as RTS pointed out on this thread. I am sure that knowledge is eating them from the inside out as it hollows out the core of who they were and consumes their soul.

This catastrophic disaster is bigger than anyone one person, or group of persons, or their careers. We have known from the beginning that Blue Ridge was silenced. I had hoped one of the Supervisors Frisby or Brown would get in the real facts sooner than now. I have always felt they herd every thing going on over the crew net from GM. HS Crews that close have each others Channels do to Co-op.

The Dam has sprung a leak. The Fire Fighting World deserves to know the facts. These recordings and transcripts 3-ring binder are being withheld and denied that they even exist. Forest Service ethically and legally continue to deny these Public Records exist? Like sharing what the BRHS have been foreclosed from speaking about all this time and finally allowed to share their story, is considered by some to be a distraction.

You know, things like the truth. Tuesday, April 12, It sounds like you have had the opportunity to go through the Yarnell Hill staff ride and may have some questions about some of the human factors that contributed that day. Talking to Redacted it sound like the picture that is being painted is very different than what we remember. I have been invited to the operational staff ride on the 26th and 27th of this month, unfortunately any input is probably too late.

I can tell you that the human factors that day were off the charts. We both know that the overall decision to leave the black was made by Redacted but there was so much that went on that day that has been swept under the rug that may have affected the outcome.

I would love the opportunity to talk to you about it, I believe there is a lot to be learned from this event and if we are going to adopt this as an agency we need to get this right. Anyhow hope you and your family are doing well and I hope to hear from you. Redacted bfrisby at fs. There are actually a lot of subtle things to point out in this short email from Brian Frisby to Joseph Harris, so here is a line by line breakout….

Those emails exchange s that may have preceeded this one were NOT supplied in response to the same FOIA request that produced the Frisby email shown above. One of the only times there were NOT together and doing that all day was circa 3: Thank you for all the detailed evidence and diligent hard work on your http: Harris under the supervision of Johan Bergstrom Submitted To: Lund University, Sweden Date of Submission: One of the metrics in place to measure whether the Forest Service is learning is a sustained safety record of zero fatalities.

In order for that to happen, lessons learned from accident investigations need to result in some kind of change. There is also a perceived gap between the traditional written report and the staff ride. I just posted some more but I am very tired so excuse any typos or errors and I will clean it up this week…I mainly wanted to go through FOIA and add more and I will keep adding as time goes by yet I was at image or figure 40 something and I was going to give it all up because it made me disappointed when I saw all the media names who were involved and really never got involved like John Dougherty or Morgan Loew did and then when I saw the email where it said.

Fi9nally we have found a weak spot that may lead to someone who actually knows what really happened.. If you want to know what the redacted words are, just count up the redacted spaces and take a guess. A lot of hard work is represented there…. Forestry lawyer Steve Hattenbach and, indeed, the entire U. Forestry Service went to in order to obfuscate the existence of the Yarnell Hill related evidence.

There is more documents going on tonight. Its in draft mode to add them. If he had bothered to even try and check with his own lookout… he would have discovered that she had ALREADY lost the ability to communicate. C — See above. It is assumed that he actually had the qualifications and the experience to even be attempting to cut down a tree the size of the one that was about to kill him that day… but that has NOT yet been verified by any official information release.

BUT…as long as I am here today and my nuts are too sore to lick, here are my thoughts on one thing Brian Hughes MAY not have done that we as a crew and myself as a hotshot sawyer, always did. I will be looking to see if this protocol was followed when the official release does come out. I would have bled out shortly after that several ton tree amputated my leg while falling down that very steep slope, I still think about that incident more often than I like and is ready to sharply pull the sawyer in the direction they should move quickly away from in falling tree in after shutting off the saw and placing it on the ground in one smooth motion.

You should never run because you might just die tired, move swiftly and smoothly. Smooth is fast…which is the same principle you should use while drawing your sidearm or moving towards gun fire…FYI. And FYI…the sawyers preplanned escape route will be at a diagonal angle away from the subject tree which normally starts at either or assuming the tree is falling at on a 24 hour clock.

BUT…that can and does often change very quickly and both the spotter and swamper must be alert and ready to implement Plan B. Now…I have beaten that horse to death. I still remember the scene when Lee Remick strips off her nightgown in the bathroom implied sex scene. It does accomplish that and it also has a lot most of posts about wildland fires in general.

Just watch the movie trailer at 1: I know it did me whenever I watch it…and I know what is going to happen cause I already watched it a bunch of times. The caller actually has the stones. I would turn it off…except it IS smarter than me. The Enterprise Recoder Article Title: Fire crew injured in I-5 rollover crash Published: September 27, at 2: September 28, at 8: From that article… ———————————————————————— RED BLUFF California — Five firefighters were injured, including one classified as major injury, when a box truck belonging to a private company transporting a fire crew rolled over Wednesday afternoon on Interstate 5, according to a California Highway Patrol spokesman.

Driver Kevin Crone, 32, of Magalia and three passengers were taken to St. Elizabeth Community Hospital in Red Bluff with minor injuries, the spokesman said. Wednesday, the spokesman said. For unknown reasons , Crone allowed the vehicle to veer off the east road edge. As he tried to steer it back onto the freeway, he lost control, went across both northbound lanes entered the center divider and overturned, the spokesman said.

Eight firefighters injured in fire crew truck rollover in Modoc Co. August 12, — by Haleigh Pike https: According to Firestorm, all eight members who were injured were passengers. CHP reported that all eight were taken to the hospital. Five of them were treated and released.

Three were airlifted to other hospitals, two going to Reno and one was taken to Mercy Medical Center in Redding. Firestorm said of the three taken by helicopter, two were treated and released and one firefighter is still undergoing medical evaluation.

Firestorm said all the men were from Chico and Paradise. CHP officials reported that the crash happened as a convoy of crews were heading into the Parker 2 Fire. Officials said a deer reportedly crossed the road, causing the lead vehicle to stop. The Firestorm crew was in the rear of the convoy, and in order to avoid a crash, they drove up the embankment before rolling over back onto the highway.

By Royal Burnett September 25, Fellow WFs were always impressed with his tactical acumen. Remember to visit Joy A. Are Y O U Ready? Collura and contributing other s. Her most recent journey. Bona fide meal periods are not worktime. Bona fide meal periods do not include coffee breaks or time for snacks.

These are rest periods. The employee must be completely relieved from duty for the purposes of eating regular meals. Ordinarily 30 minutes or more is long enough for a bona fide meal period. A shorter period may be long enough under special conditions. The employee is not relieved if he is required to perform any duties, whether active or inactive, while eating.

For example, an office employee who is required to eat at his desk or a factory worker who is required to be at his machine is working while eating. Cases ; 7 Labor Cases para. Seneca Coal and Coke Co. Cases ; 6 Labor Cases para. It is not necessary that an employee be permitted to leave the premises if he is otherwise completely freed from duties during the meal period.

So then, when is a WF or FF on the firelines ever completely relieved from duty for the purpose of eating a meal? Please never forget the old people…my long time knowing friend Jack N. He really believed in me that I could always carry on and persevere no matter the challenges and there has been some lately. I had to even make my insurance guy aware if something happens to me or my surroundings out of the norm—I told him where they should look first.

John Wayne has always been one of my favorites. I know one of you asked me recently: Was it possible to authorize plans on the fire before physically arriving on the fire? If anyone wants to answer the questions above for someone- please feel free as I seem to just stare at the computer screen lately….

The location of it needs immediate attention. He sure went through a hell of alot of surgeries and heart attacks. He said his oxygen and breathing have him plum tuckered at times. He appreciates everyone here. National Park Service … Page Title: Ranch Fire Tree Strike Fatality https: It now says that the retardant drop that killed Burchett took place at 5: According to all other testimony and media reports… Matthew Burchett did not die right away.

It fell on TFL2 and caused fatal injuries. TFL2 suffered fatal crushing injuries. The only thing the report says about what took place AFTER the incident is covered with just two short sentences…. Injured personnel were treated by Advanced Life Support ALS providers assigned to resources on the division and then transported to the hospital for further treatment. The ASM acknowledged the request and advised a closer drop would cause retardant to land on the dozer line.

DIVS C acknowledged this information. Air Operations Branch Director: Brad Idol Helibase Manager: Lake County News Article Title: Cal Fire report says low retardant drop led to incident that killed firefighter on Mendocino Complex Published: Saturday, 15 September The Mendocino Complex as mapped on the morning of Monday, August 13, Map courtesy of Cal Fire.

During the retardant drops, Burchett was struck by an uprooted foot-tall Douglas Fir tree. He was flown to Ukiah Valley Medical Center where he died a short time later. Three other firefighters also were injured at the same time when they were hit by parts of another tree. They included two fire captains from a multiagency Utah group, one who suffered major injuries after being struck by a broken tree top and another who sustained moderate injuries — as did a fire apparatus engineer from Kings County — when hit by falling tree debris resulting from the retardant drop.

The air tanker that made the drop that led to the falling trees was a Boeing configured as a very large air tanker, or VLAT, with a retardant capacity of 19, gallons, the report said. On the morning of the incident, the Mendocino Complex was , acres with percent containment, which at that point broke down to , acres and percent containment on the Ranch fire and 48, acres and percent containment on the River fire, which was fully contained at that acreage the day after Burchett died.

On Friday it remained at percent containment at a total of , acres. The Ranch fire remains the only active portion of the complex at , acres. The report said that on Monday, Aug. The report said he and one of the fire captains who would later be injured along with him participated in the division breakout with the division supervisor and trainee at the Ranch Fire Incident Base.

The elevation change of the retardant drop site on Monday, August 13, , on the Ranch fire of the Mendocino Complex in. Aircraft firefighting operations began on Division C at approximately 1 p. The report said that at 4: Obscured by heavy vegetation and unknown to the VLAT pilot, a rise in elevation occurred along the flight path.

The report said the force of the retardant drop uprooted an foot tall Douglas Fir with a 15 inch diameter at breast height, which fell on Burchett, mortally injuring him. The drop also sheared an foot tall, inch diameter Douglas Fir 29 feet above the base, the debris from which hit one of the fire captains, who suffered broken ribs, deep muscle contusions and ligament damage to extremities.

That falling tree also resulted in the second fire captain suffering scratches and abrasions, and the Kings County firefighter sustained deep muscle contusions and ligament damage, according to the report. The aerial view of the accident site in Mendocino County, Calif. A few minutes later, radio reports from the accident scene said a medivac may be needed out of Drop Point 19, with a followup report shortly afterward stating that said they had an unconscious patient and were doing cardiopulmonary resuscitation on him.

A medivac unit was then directed to respond to Drop Point 15, about six miles southwest of Lake Pillsbury, to transport him. Officials later reported that Burchett was airlifted to Ukiah Valley Medical Center, where he died of his injuries. The focus on recording the retardant drops on video may distract firefighters. This activity may impair their ability to recognize the hazards and take appropriate evasive action possibly reducing or eliminating injuries.

The urge to capture the moment in photos and videos is almost irresistible for some firefighters. We saw that in Yarnell itself. They were a little oblivious to the fire around them. There were two heads of fire that are running down, and, ah one of those heads, um, appeared appeared to threaten the ingress and egress of those people Darrell Willis, Corey Moser, etc.

I had that sense. I was very concerned, um, that they did NOT have a good sense of what was coming or how fast the fire was coming in. They had terrain features too that were — that egress got cut off. Thanks for posting all these and expanding on them. A few minutes later, radio reports from the accident scene said a medivac may be needed out of Drop Point 19 , with a followup report shortly afterward stating that said they had an unconscious patient and were doing cardiopulmonary resuscitation on him.

A medivac unit was then directed to respond to Drop Point 15 , about six miles southwest of Lake Pillsbury, to transport him. It was about 3. Drop Points are not designated for helicopter landings or evacs.. Only helispots fill that bill. Plenty of room for a chopper. Keep hitting the ten ring, wtktt.

WTF is going on over there? A bulldozer operator hired to assist containment efforts on the North Fire died Tuesday in a crash near Blue Canyon on his way to the incident. Tony Flores, a year-old employee of Kent Siller Trucking who had worked for the company over 20 years, was a bulldozer operator assigned to the 1,acre wildfire burning at Tahoe National Forest, according to the news release.

Flores died in a collision on westbound Interstate 80 near Blue Canyon shortly before 6 a. Tuesday, while he was driving to an incident command post at Blue Canyon Airport, Tahoe National Forest officials said. Flores was a lifelong resident of Yuba City, the news release said, the same city where Kent Siller Trucking is based.

More than fire personnel are currently assigned to the North Fire, which stood at 1, acres and 85 percent containment, the U. Forest Service reported Tuesday night. Bulldozers are frequently used in containment efforts for large and fast-spreading wildfires in California. The North Fire sparked last Monday, and quickly prompted the evacuation and closure of at least six campgrounds and surrounding areas, as well as the closure of two I offramps near Emigrant Gap.

And we are just now hearing about it? Pretty heartrending article of a preventable hazard tree fatality and near miss from the same tree on a wildfire in Oregon. It was, in fact, widely reported at the time it happened by the Associated Press and other Mainstream Media outlets. From the article… ———————————————————————————————- The Forest Service says too many wildland firefighters are exposed to hazards on the fire line and that it must change its ways.

Forestry earlier this year after Tony Tooke resigned because of allegations against him of sexual misconduct…. Wildfire Today Article Title: MST March 9, https: From that article… ————————————————————————————————— Amid reports of widespread sexual harassment and misconduct within the Forest Service, and especially among firefighters, a woman will now lead the agency.

Forest Service — Intermountain Region. Holdsambeck, Steve -FS Sent: Dudley, Mike -FS Cc: Obviously you need to be careful how you respond to this. My advice would be somewhere between these two options:. Thank you for posting this and commenting on the article. The deceit and manipulation of the truth never cease and the same players keep reappearing.

It reveals a lot more active fire behavior in the background in the Sesame Street and Shrine Corridor when he zooms in several times. Lloyd Prime Background Song: Joseph Trapanese Licensed to YouTube by: That recon flight left the ground at exactly 2: Shot from the Shrine of St.

Joseph parking lot at the end of the paved part of Shrine Road. Shows vehicles exiting from the Shrine Road Youth Camp area. Shows Paul musser on foot at the Shrine parking lot, Tony Sciacca leaving the area in his white-with-red-stripes PNF pickup with camper back, and then more vehicles emerging from the Shrine Road Youth Camp area.

According to the Blue Ridge GPS tracking data… the exact time of that arrival at that spot was 4: Your times are not right. We see him leave his parking spot at the St. Other headlights are now coming out, and the first engine Central Yavapai Engine E appears to stop and speak with Sciacca in his pickup.

I had seen the smoke in other videos but not the flames. This Preliminary Summary Report is intended as an aid in accident prevention, and to provide factual information from the first 12 hours of the accident review. To that end, it is published and distributed within a short time frame.

On August 13, at approximately 5: Following the drop, three firefighters suffered minor injuries and one firefighter suffered fatal injuries after being struck by falling tree debris. Following the drop, 3 firefighters suffered minor injuries and 1, Batt. Chief Matthew Burchett, was killed after being struck by falling tree debris.

Here are some of the details from those on the same fire where the Draper FF was killed and the others were injured, the Mendocino Complex. Their Divison was planning for a Firing Operation which included air support to pretreat the firelines with retardent using the way-too-expensive and way-too-dangerous VLATs Very Large Air tankers.

The Engines including Draper FD and a nearby Hot Shot Crew were now supposedly clear of the planned VLAT drop zone s , which have to be quite a distance due to the huge quantity of retardent onboard and the length of their drops. On the second drop that eventually hit them, they noticed that the VLAT was much lower than the previous drops.

The drop extended for about one-half to three-quarters of a mile. The uninjured Draper Engine FFs provided immediate medical care as they could. Neighboring Resources went to the scene and some had to use extrication equipment to get to Burchett and some of the injured FFs. Most, if not all the those involved in the incident refused to sign the non-dislosure waiver.

Several of them were demobbed and sent back to their home units and told to take three days off instead of the usual two days off. In light of the inordinate number of recent WFs and FFs deaths in CA in the past few weeks, the word is that the WFs and FFs on the firelines are very distrustful of CDF in particular AND of the supervisory direction they are receiving regarding tactical fireline assignments, especially with the unprecedented, extreme fire behavior witnessed and experienced on the fatal Carr Fire near Redding, CA.

In other words, there will be a lot more independent or at least semi-independent actions occurring or there will be a lot of time not engaging or just hanging out in safe areas and Safety Zones. I posted this on August 17th. I did see that below. In confidence, gather the names and contact information of participants and witnesses and obtain witness written statements and photographs.

Inform the witness of the confidential nature of the SART process. The Lead Investigator works directly for the Team Leader. CISM can be conducted on an individual basis if necessary versus a group basis. Group debriefings prior to being interviewed can compromise the witness information. CISM policy says debriefing can be withheld for up to 72 hours Handbook If the answer is no, walk away.

Seek competent legal counsel if necessary. Most I know, well…they would regret the strongarm approach. Way to add to the trauma, you dumbasses. Well…as a shade tree lawyer I just have to weigh in on this one. But the bottom line for me, is that there is one predicate fact must be present for any of that to even start to happen. Especially since the current left-wing Labor government took office in , the donations have exploded.

What are these sums spent on? Recently the remuneration for suicide bombers was tripled. Those who have carried out the worst attacks against innocent civilians receive the highest pay. Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center figures from show that Palestinians have conducted 25, terrorist attacks, suicide attacks leading to 1, dead Israelis and 7, wounded between and Fatah conducted acts of terrorism in alone, according to Terrorism Review.

Many more foreign hostages than originally reported were taken by the Al Qaeda terrorists at the Amenas gas plant in Algeria. The Algerian government says that out of were freed, and some sources say that 30 or more hostages were killed. The British government offered the Algerians manpower, equipment, and expert assistance to expedite the resolution of the crisis, but was refused.

American, British, and French nationals are thought to be among the dead. In other news, the latest figures from Angola indicate that at least , Chinese nationals have migrated to the country. The Angolan government says that work permits were issued for the Chinese to assist with development projects. To see the headlines and the articles, open the full news post.

Thanks to Andy Bostom, C. Commenters are advised to leave their comments at this post rather than with the news articles so that they are more easily accessible. Gates of Vienna cannot vouch for the authenticity or accuracy of the contents of any individual item posted here.

We check each entry to make sure it is relatively interesting, not patently offensive, and at least superficially plausible. Further research and verification are left to the reader. Vienna is the most fully enriched location, and seems to be in roughly the same situation as Oslo. Many thanks to Hermes for the translation from Unzensuriert. The number of pupils with a first language other than German has doubled from to The doubling in the number of multilingual students is evident in virtually all provinces in Austria.

The Styrian province is the only outlier, where the number of children with a different native language has tripled from about 5, to 16, The nationwide statistics conceals the dramatic developments in Vienna, because German is hardly spoken in the primary schools of the federal capital. For a complete listing of previous enrichment news, see The Cultural Enrichment Archives.

Scroll down for other posts that have appeared since Wednesday. Certain posts at Gates of Vienna, among them those by Takuan Seiyo, tend to attract the attention and comments of people who are preoccupied with the Jews. I generally delete such comments without publishing them. Before I deleted it, I sent it to Takuan, just to show him what was coming in. He suggested that I go ahead and post it, followed by his response.

Some interesting points, a lot of waffle and some errors. Top class, modern historians now regard that figure as grotesquely disproportionate. It is one of the most successful internationsal businesses of all time. You have the temerity to post this kind of Nazi apologist garbage in a comments thread of an article by a writer whose gentile grandparents had been murdered in a concentration camp and whose gentile mother spent two years in a labor-extermination camp, was a state witness in the post-war trial of its commandant, and relayed her wartime experiences to this writer directly.

Moreover, a writer who was born and grew up one hour by car from Auschwitz and three kilometers from the plant where the firm Hoch und Tiefbau AG had built the crematoria for that camp. In which, alone, 2. Moreover, you desecrate the memory of Witold Pilecki plus other Polish officer escapees from Auschwitz who produced written reports, e.

I am omitting here reports by Jewish escapees, for example the Vrba-Wetzler report, as well as the fate of the Jewish part of my family during the war, so as to skirt the whole specious Joooos-tainted-it aspect of your comment. The lowest for Auschwitz, for instance by the Polish historian Franciszek Piper , cites 1.

The highest figure cited for Auschwitz is 4 million. However, much has happened since it went up, including the Blogger outage. Scroll down for a report on that. More new posts will be added below this one. The essay below is the conclusion of the ninth part in a series by Takuan Seiyo.

See the list at the bottom of this post for links to the previous installments. For over 60 years, White mea-culpists have had a firm grip in all fields of cultural mind imprinting: Their main endeavor has been to enforce their compulsory e. K and discretionary e. Nor the evils of the worldwide Islamic Inquisition which — not in the 16th century but now, in the 21st, condemns Muslim apostates to barbaric execution.

Instead, aggressive White androphobes of all genders which I can no longer count are decimating the philogynous and egalitarian West. Equality psychos are tearing down the most egalitarian society that ever existed except for initial communist experiments, before they turned bloody. American Jews, at the apex of the greatest fortune and philosemitic tolerance their long diaspora has ever bestowed on their kind, are busy supporting all the ideologies and policies that demolish their safe harbor and build up their Muslim, Black and Third World enemies.

Leftoid masochists and the Christian meek call for returning Hawaii to the Hawaiians and capitulating before a massive Mexican reconquista of one-third of America. The rightful Etruscan landowners are not bearing angry placards in front of the Vatican. The Japanese are not planning to relinquish Hokkaido to its original owners, the Ainu.

The tall, white and fair-haired Chachapoyas of the Andean forest have, alas, no remnants left to sue the Incas for genocide in a Peruvian court of law. However, even that great moral abyss of Western civilization — the Holocausts — stands out more in its industrialized and organizational features than it does either in the quality of its hatefulness or its relative or even absolute volumes.

In relative numbers, in just one year, , the Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, killed off a total of one million, in a population of 7 million. Is it more humane to go by a stroke of a blunt machete than by a whiff of Zyklon B? The Khmer Rouge murdered at least 2 million Cambodians between and Is it more humane to die by wallops from a Cambodian pickaxe handle than by a bullet from a German Mauser?

Inscription on the back in German: There is a special horror attached to the Third Reich, because those were 20 th century Europeans, Christians, and in many ways the smartest, most civilized people on Earth. But the Holocausts do not prove that Whites are worse than other people, just that they are no better.

The history of the Third Reich also proves that with the right formula of economic blowup, misery and humiliation, sparked by charismatic evil, no people are immune to such horror, at no time. Our Norwegian correspondent The Observer sends his translation of an article and interview with two respectable high-profile Muslim leaders in Oslo, who have strongly negative opinions about Jews and the worldwide Jewish conspiracy.

A new trend seems to have developed in the Islamic community in Norway: It should also be pointed out that this is the same mosque that the Norwegian police apologized so profusely to last year for the fact that we have freedom of speech in Norway. The translated article from Dagsavisen:. Many Norwegians have a negative view on Islam due to Jewish domination of the media.

We are visiting Central Jamaat-e Ahl-e Sunnat, the mosque with the largest member base in Norway, to talk to its spiritual leader. The mosque was founded in and currently has more than 5, members. The Imam begins by explaining that all three heavenly religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, are sacred to them. Many people are unaware of this fact, says Sarwar.

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Which do you find more offensive? They are looking for dissent, not yes men or women. Vertical farms on the rise in the UAE. I have a problem with serious mission creep because I essentially had my book about the Battlement Creek Fire done and then I accidentally discovered that all of the factors that were responsible for the deaths on the LOOP fire of the El Cariso Hotshots are the same. You are free to write your own essay trying to prove the opposite of my essay. He has two school-age daughters.

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